back when you debated senator obama at the time, he won the debate, 51% for then senator obama, 38% for you and, more importantly, the overall election poll showed that he moved up in the polling three percentage points after that debate. do you see a similar bounce for governor romney? do you see a bigger bounce because the numbers, in some ways, are bigger? >> i do. and, again, it was all about hope and change and what the president was going to do. and he didn't have a record. he didn't have a record in the senate of much note. now he has a record of four years of the longest and deepest recession since the great depression. last night was so bad if it had been a fight, they would have stopped it. really one of the telling points, i thought, in the debate was when the question -- the last question about why don't people work together and sit down and work together, mitt made an argument that's what he had done in massachusetts and would do and the president basically said well, some people, you can't work with because the fact is, he has not reached across the aisle to work with repu